Comments on: The chip the new Mac Pro may have been waiting for is out and ready! https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/ architosh™ — a global-leading CAD / 3D / AEC industry technology publication and #1 source for Mac and iOS users in these segments. Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:10:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1 By: Se Jobs non riuscita due volte, perché avrebbe Ives & Team avere successo? RIP nuovo Mac Pro | Informazioni sul BIM in Italia https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-54599 Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:10:54 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-54599 […] nuovo processo di chip di litografia cambia ridursi chip in meno pacchetti assetati di potere) . All’inizio di quest’anno , che è quello che è […]

]]> By: shameermulji https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-54287 Mon, 25 Apr 2016 03:35:47 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-54287 “Apple’s latest faux pas that it may be about to rebrand OS X as MacOS isn’t—in this author’s view—simply for consistent naming reasons.”

Definitely look forward to your reasons regarding Apple’s potential rebranding of OSX to MacOS / macOS.

]]> By: shameermulji https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-56665 Sun, 24 Apr 2016 23:35:47 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-56665 “Apple’s latest faux pas that it may be about to rebrand OS X as MacOS isn’t—in this author’s view—simply for consistent naming reasons.”

Definitely look forward to your reasons regarding Apple’s potential rebranding of OSX to MacOS / macOS.

]]> By: Anthony Frausto-Robledo AIA, LEED AP https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-54263 Thu, 21 Apr 2016 01:03:18 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-54263 Nicolas – GPU rendering is great stuff, no doubt. Yet, despite this, mainline software CAD and 3D developers with older CPU-oriented software have been slow to embrace GPU rendering. Big architectural changes take years to implement often and ISVs want to focus on new features in a competitive market.

However, Apple at WWDC sessions focused on the graphics have touted three core options for developers: (1) CPU rendering (2) GPU rendering and (3) mixed CPU and GPU rendering. Both OpenGL and OpenCL have been touted as mixed and flexible paths for acceleration so developers have options. Now we have Apple Metal and this is indeed promising for some developers. Most CAD developers will remain with OpenGL for quite some time. Platform specific graphics APIs may be integrated into predominantly OpenGL based apps. Not supporting Vulkan seems foolish as it again provides more options for developers to target OS X along with Windows, Linux and other platforms. Why not provide many roads to the golden city?

]]> By: Anthony Frausto-Robledo AIA, L https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-60633 Thu, 21 Apr 2016 00:56:43 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-60633 Javier – you are absolutely right. And Music is just one of the major areas the new Mac Pro really let down a whole bunch of people. It almost seems like the team responsible for designing the new Mac Pro didn’t go around and actually talk to the Mac Pro customers using the older systems. If they did, they would have learned that “pros” need first and foremost, “flexibility.” It’s true they would have heard they need “workstation” GPUs…and we got those. And we got several gradients. That part was awesome. But why the rigidity of a system design where one gets locked into 2 GPUs and locked out of 2 CPUs?

This mystery has never been solved. It is as if Apple was planning something else but never delivered it. Something that would have made the new Mac Pro make sense.

]]> By: Anthony Frausto-Robledo AIA, LEED AP https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-54262 Thu, 21 Apr 2016 00:56:43 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-54262 Javier – you are absolutely right. And Music is just one of the major areas the new Mac Pro really let down a whole bunch of people. It almost seems like the team responsible for designing the new Mac Pro didn’t go around and actually talk to the Mac Pro customers using the older systems. If they did, they would have learned that “pros” need first and foremost, “flexibility.” It’s true they would have heard they need “workstation” GPUs…and we got those. And we got several gradients. That part was awesome. But why the rigidity of a system design where one gets locked into 2 GPUs and locked out of 2 CPUs?

This mystery has never been solved. It is as if Apple was planning something else but never delivered it. Something that would have made the new Mac Pro make sense.

]]> By: Anthony Frausto-Robledo AIA, L https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-60630 Wed, 20 Apr 2016 21:03:18 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-60630 Nicolas – GPU rendering is great stuff, no doubt. Yet, despite this, mainline software CAD and 3D developers with older CPU-oriented software have been slow to embrace GPU rendering. Big architectural changes take years to implement often and ISVs want to focus on new features in a competitive market.

However, Apple at WWDC sessions focused on the graphics have touted three core options for developers: (1) CPU rendering (2) GPU rendering and (3) mixed CPU and GPU rendering. Both OpenGL and OpenCL have been touted as mixed and flexible paths for acceleration so developers have options. Now we have Apple Metal and this is indeed promising for some developers. Most CAD developers will remain with OpenGL for quite some time. Platform specific graphics APIs may be integrated into predominantly OpenGL based apps. Not supporting Vulkan seems foolish as it again provides more options for developers to target OS X along with Windows, Linux and other platforms. Why not provide many roads to the golden city?

]]> By: Nicolas Miard https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-54246 Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:54:40 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-54246 @Anthony

I understand what you mean, and I understand that a professional user can’t change it’s entire methods to leave a software that don’t embrace newer technologies like OpenCL, but still, I think GPGPU rendering is the way to go, and even if CUDA is currently the best choice, OpenCL could be good too (and Vulkan next?).
It needs support, and a growing demand should help. The rendering engine Cycles is planed to be a (free) software on its own, and when it happens, I hope that there will be a lot of Cycles plugins around, for most of the 3D/CAD softwares out there.

]]> By: Javier Laguna Inzolia https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-54245 Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:16:11 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-54245 As a music composer I am sad that Apple in this last Mac Pro design, never thought about the music industry in a manner of having the option of a Mac Pro more focused for Music studios and music composers and producers. What I am trying to say is that most of us don’t need a second GPU in our system, however we do require more than 4 cores in our system as we relay on real time processing more than offline processing. Additionally we demand more than 32 gb of ram offered in the iMac. When working with 60 or more tracks of VSTi’s and DSP processing an 8 core or 12 core machine does the job. I believe If Apple offers a powerful Mac Pro with a single GPU and maybe an extra SSD for music the music industry, Apple could increase their sales by a good percentage.

]]> By: Nicolas Miard https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-59764 Tue, 19 Apr 2016 16:54:40 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-59764 @Anthony

I understand what you mean, and I understand that a professional user can’t change it’s entire methods to leave a software that don’t embrace newer technologies like OpenCL, but still, I think GPGPU rendering is the way to go, and even if CUDA is currently the best choice, OpenCL could be good too (and Vulkan next?).
It needs support, and a growing demand should help. The rendering engine Cycles is planed to be a (free) software on its own, and when it happens, I hope that there will be a lot of Cycles plugins around, for most of the 3D/CAD softwares out there.

]]> By: Javier Laguna Inzolia https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-60631 Tue, 19 Apr 2016 16:16:11 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-60631 As a music composer I am sad that Apple in this last Mac Pro design, never thought about the music industry in a manner of having the option of a Mac Pro more focused for Music studios and music composers and producers. What I am trying to say is that most of us don’t need a second GPU in our system, however we do require more than 4 cores in our system as we relay on real time processing more than offline processing. Additionally we demand more than 32 gb of ram offered in the iMac. When working with 60 or more tracks of VSTi’s and DSP processing an 8 core or 12 core machine does the job. I believe If Apple offers a powerful Mac Pro with a single GPU and maybe an extra SSD for music the music industry, Apple could increase their sales by a good percentage.

]]> By: Anthony Frausto-Robledo AIA, LEED AP https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-54243 Tue, 19 Apr 2016 12:56:00 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-54243 @ Kira – many would agree with you. It’s why HP in particular has gone after Mac Pro users. But their problem is those users really, really don’t want Windows. This is, ultimately, a ridiculously stupid situation that Apple has allowed itself to get into…with the likes of HP hunting directly for their users.

]]> By: Anthony Frausto-Robledo AIA, LEED AP https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-54240 Tue, 19 Apr 2016 12:33:25 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-54240 @ Kira – many would agree with you. It’s why HP in particular has gone after Mac Pro users. But their problem is those users really, really don’t want Windows. This is, ultimately, a ridiculously stupid situation.

]]> By: Anthony Frausto-Robledo AIA, L https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-58940 Tue, 19 Apr 2016 12:29:57 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-58940 Also Nicolas, “types” of AEC users might logically be split into: (a) dominant single-threaded app users, (b) mixed single/multiple threaded app users, and (c) dominant multi-threaded app users.

If a construction professional models process workflows and field conditions in SketchUp all day long, she can do that well on a MacBook Pro where 4 fast cores are well suited for that single-threaded app.

If an architect using Revit most of the time but also doing rendering in say Artlantis, Vray or C4D, they are the type (b) user and so the Mac Pro, particularly with the latest new chips, is a good investment. For the type (c) user who maybe a dedicated film or VFX artists, the current Mac Pro is “under-cored” for a good percentage of these professionals. Likewise, the machine is wrong for building out high-core render farms…too expensive.

]]> By: Anthony Frausto-Robledo AIA, LEED AP https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-54239 Tue, 19 Apr 2016 12:29:57 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-54239 Also Nicolas, “types” of AEC users might logically be split into: (a) dominant single-threaded app users, (b) mixed single/multiple threaded app users, and (c) dominant multi-threaded app users.

If a construction professional models process workflows and field conditions in SketchUp all day long, she can do that well on a MacBook Pro where 4 fast cores are well suited for that single-threaded app.

If an architect using Revit most of the time but also doing rendering in say Artlantis, Vray or C4D, they are the type (b) user and so the Mac Pro, particularly with the latest new chips, is a good investment. For the type (c) user who maybe a dedicated film or VFX artists, the current Mac Pro is “under-cored” for a good percentage of these professionals. Likewise, the machine is wrong for building out high-core render farms…too expensive.

]]> By: architosh https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-54238 Tue, 19 Apr 2016 12:22:45 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-54238 Nicolas, you are touching on the fact that leading AEC apps are lagging in multi-threading. So true.

]]> By: Anthony Frausto-Robledo AIA, L https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-58931 Tue, 19 Apr 2016 08:56:00 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-58931 @ Kira – many would agree with you. It’s why HP in particular has gone after Mac Pro users. But their problem is those users really, really don’t want Windows. This is, ultimately, a ridiculously stupid situation that Apple has allowed itself to get into…with the likes of HP hunting directly for their users.

]]> By: Anthony Frausto-Robledo AIA, L https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-58930 Tue, 19 Apr 2016 08:33:25 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-58930 @ Kira – many would agree with you. It’s why HP in particular has gone after Mac Pro users. But their problem is those users really, really don’t want Windows. This is, ultimately, a ridiculously stupid situation.

]]> By: architosh https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-58929 Tue, 19 Apr 2016 08:22:45 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-58929 Nicolas, you are touching on the fact that leading AEC apps are lagging in multi-threading. So true.

]]> By: Kira Kinski https://architosh.com/2016/04/the-chip-the-new-mac-pro-may-have-been-waiting-for-is-out-and-ready/#comment-54233 Mon, 18 Apr 2016 23:48:22 +0000 https://architosh.com/?p=21175#comment-54233 The Mac Pro needs far more than a new chip. Expandability for one, like the previous design. Do that and count me in. Ignore that and hello Hackintosh on my next purchase.

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