Comments on: In-Depth: Looking at ArchiCAD 13 with Delta Server Technology http://architosh.com/2009/09/in-depth-looking-at-archicad-13-with-bim-server/ architosh™ — the leading Internet magazine dedicated to Mac CAD and 3D professionals and students worldwide. Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:11:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: BIM Architectural Design » Archicad 13 Webinar http://architosh.com/2009/09/in-depth-looking-at-archicad-13-with-bim-server/comment-page-1/#comment-278 BIM Architectural Design » Archicad 13 Webinar Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:07:45 +0000 http://architosh.com/?p=2749#comment-278 [...] Today I had the opportunity to watch one of the first webinars from Graphisoft introducing some of the new features in Archicad 13.  As mentioned in a recent post, this latest version “will introduce the Graphisoft BIM Server” which will “run an all-new, highly optimized and highly granular relational-database.”  The one-hour webinar was not nearly enough time to review all the new features, but I was able to get a glimpse into some of the new Teamwork 2.0 functionality.  (A more in-depth article covering the so-called “Delta Server” can be found on Architosh.) [...] [...] Today I had the opportunity to watch one of the first webinars from Graphisoft introducing some of the new features in Archicad 13.  As mentioned in a recent post, this latest version “will introduce the Graphisoft BIM Server” which will “run an all-new, highly optimized and highly granular relational-database.”  The one-hour webinar was not nearly enough time to review all the new features, but I was able to get a glimpse into some of the new Teamwork 2.0 functionality.  (A more in-depth article covering the so-called “Delta Server” can be found on Architosh.) [...]

]]> By: on archicad 13 (introduction) | [ mac i n t e r a c t ] http://architosh.com/2009/09/in-depth-looking-at-archicad-13-with-bim-server/comment-page-1/#comment-177 on archicad 13 (introduction) | [ mac i n t e r a c t ] Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:24:55 +0000 http://architosh.com/?p=2749#comment-177 [...] on the biggest thing to hit ArchiCAD since Teamwork … Teamwork 2 – an Architosh Indepth and various ArchiCAD-Talk discussions here, here [...] [...] on the biggest thing to hit ArchiCAD since Teamwork … Teamwork 2 – an Architosh Indepth and various ArchiCAD-Talk discussions here, here [...]

]]> By: Anthony Frausto-Robledo LEED AP http://architosh.com/2009/09/in-depth-looking-at-archicad-13-with-bim-server/comment-page-1/#comment-174 Anthony Frausto-Robledo LEED AP Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:57:37 +0000 http://architosh.com/?p=2749#comment-174 There is no doubt much that can be done with the UI in ArchiCAD. Many of the CAD and 3D stalwarts in the Mac world have OS 9 era user interface designs...that is why I asked the question about "proper" UI. UI design is tricky business. If developers can continue to follow Apple's lead more that can help; and if developers can seriously invest resources in properly testing out UI ideas that do not stem from Apple's UI guidelines that too can help. Some of the cooler and more functional UI designs I've seen recently are in apps like modo, Cinema 4D and Apple's Aperture and its many other pro apps. Thanks for the wonderful feedback in this post. :) There is no doubt much that can be done with the UI in ArchiCAD. Many of the CAD and 3D stalwarts in the Mac world have OS 9 era user interface designs…that is why I asked the question about “proper” UI.

UI design is tricky business. If developers can continue to follow Apple’s lead more that can help; and if developers can seriously invest resources in properly testing out UI ideas that do not stem from Apple’s UI guidelines that too can help.

Some of the cooler and more functional UI designs I’ve seen recently are in apps like modo, Cinema 4D and Apple’s Aperture and its many other pro apps. Thanks for the wonderful feedback in this post. :)

]]> By: koolhaas http://architosh.com/2009/09/in-depth-looking-at-archicad-13-with-bim-server/comment-page-1/#comment-173 koolhaas Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:56:04 +0000 http://architosh.com/?p=2749#comment-173 anthony: IMHO christiaan is totally right - AC needs a huge UI overhaul. especially on the Mac. it still bears a set of dubious 'windowze' icons, an overly complicated procedural chain of command, a very lame library panel, a bit useless curtain wall tool, no terrain integration, no free form modeler, the forced option of a ray tracer with fake radiosity, a HW key and a price tag of $4500... the BIM server is wonderful, but there are quite a few more urgent points to bring the app into the 2nd decade of the 21st century, besides attempting to attract large firms... cool, functional and professional UI/graphic design would be a good staring point ;) as for cocoa - it has been around for a while - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoa_(API); converting to it on time is perhaps a matter of smart development... anthony:

IMHO christiaan is totally right – AC needs a huge UI overhaul. especially on the Mac. it still bears a set of dubious ‘windowze’ icons, an overly complicated procedural chain of command, a very lame library panel, a bit useless curtain wall tool, no terrain integration, no free form modeler, the forced option of a ray tracer with fake radiosity, a HW key and a price tag of $4500…

the BIM server is wonderful, but there are quite a few more urgent points to bring the app into the 2nd decade of the 21st century, besides attempting to attract large firms… cool, functional and professional UI/graphic design would be a good staring point ;)

as for cocoa – it has been around for a while – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoa_(API); converting to it on time is perhaps a matter of smart development…

]]> By: Anthony Frausto-Robledo LEED AP http://architosh.com/2009/09/in-depth-looking-at-archicad-13-with-bim-server/comment-page-1/#comment-172 Anthony Frausto-Robledo LEED AP Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:21:00 +0000 http://architosh.com/?p=2749#comment-172 Geoff, Thanks for posting your feedback. While I will abstain from defending my reporting of the announcement, I do acknowledge your concerns. If ArchiCAD 13 is installed correctly and a BIM server is setup somewhere in the world and you know its IP address the process of connecting to it should be straight forward. More importantly, it should be clarified that ArchiCAD for the Mac is no "port" of the version for Windows. The program's legacy is on the Mac and the code base, from what I have been told, bears witness to that. Over the last several years Graphisoft has had to contend with the fact that most of their Mac code base is written for Apple's legacy Carbon APIs (application programming interfaces) rather than newer and more modern Cocoa APIs. Our article(s) point this out in regard to the Mac version NOT being 64-bit yet. The company has been re-writing Carbon code to Cocoa...a big process in itself as Adobe would attest. Geoff,

Thanks for posting your feedback. While I will abstain from defending my reporting of the announcement, I do acknowledge your concerns. If ArchiCAD 13 is installed correctly and a BIM server is setup somewhere in the world and you know its IP address the process of connecting to it should be straight forward.

More importantly, it should be clarified that ArchiCAD for the Mac is no “port” of the version for Windows. The program’s legacy is on the Mac and the code base, from what I have been told, bears witness to that. Over the last several years Graphisoft has had to contend with the fact that most of their Mac code base is written for Apple’s legacy Carbon APIs (application programming interfaces) rather than newer and more modern Cocoa APIs.

Our article(s) point this out in regard to the Mac version NOT being 64-bit yet. The company has been re-writing Carbon code to Cocoa…a big process in itself as Adobe would attest.

]]> By: Archicad 13 Webinar | All About CAD http://architosh.com/2009/09/in-depth-looking-at-archicad-13-with-bim-server/comment-page-1/#comment-170 Archicad 13 Webinar | All About CAD Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:00:59 +0000 http://architosh.com/?p=2749#comment-170 [...] Today I had the opportunity to watch one of the first webinars from Graphisoft introducing some of the new features in Archicad 13.  As mentioned in a recent post, this latest version “will introduce the Graphisoft BIM Server” which will “run an all-new, highly optimized and highly granular relational-database.”  The one-hour webinar was not nearly enough time to review all the new features, but I was able to get a glimpse into some of the new Teamwork 2.0 functionality.  (A more in-depth article covering the so-called “Delta Server” can be found on Architosh.) [...] [...] Today I had the opportunity to watch one of the first webinars from Graphisoft introducing some of the new features in Archicad 13.  As mentioned in a recent post, this latest version “will introduce the Graphisoft BIM Server” which will “run an all-new, highly optimized and highly granular relational-database.”  The one-hour webinar was not nearly enough time to review all the new features, but I was able to get a glimpse into some of the new Teamwork 2.0 functionality.  (A more in-depth article covering the so-called “Delta Server” can be found on Architosh.) [...]

]]> By: GeoffB http://architosh.com/2009/09/in-depth-looking-at-archicad-13-with-bim-server/comment-page-1/#comment-169 GeoffB Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:20:46 +0000 http://architosh.com/?p=2749#comment-169 Listen, I use ArchiCAD every day and like the software very much. But making a claim like, “Accessing the BIM Server is easy from remote locations“, with no supporting evidence is a disservice to your readers and leaves you looking like a fanboy rather than a reviewer. I suggest you look at Graphisoft‘s own wiki article on the subject http://www.archicadwiki.com/Teamwork/BimServerRemoteConnection and ask yourself if it sounds easy. Likewise the comment, “Graphisoft could choose to work with Apple in the future and utilize its MobileMe capabilities so that users could gain the Back-to-my Mac functionality to help resolve dynamic IP addresses“, is little more than wishful thinking. Show me (please!) where Graphisoft has taken advantage of Apple’s superior technology and I might believe your claim. Reality is it’s Mac-based ArchiCAD users that wait in vain for parity on basic features like SketchUp import. Make no mistake, this is a breakthrough product, but it’s very much v1 and still needs work. Best Regards, Geoff Briggs P.S. I’m not posting this because I like to be negative. I have a lot of respect for the guys in Budapest. I just want BIM that really works and vendors that develop for Mac to go beyond mere porting. I could level the same criticisms on Adobe. Just look at Acrobat Pro. Listen, I use ArchiCAD every day and like the software very much. But making a claim like, “Accessing the BIM Server is easy from remote locations“, with no supporting evidence is a disservice to your readers and leaves you looking like a fanboy rather than a reviewer. I suggest you look at Graphisoft‘s own wiki article on the subject http://www.archicadwiki.com/Teamwork/BimServerRemoteConnection and ask yourself if it sounds easy.

Likewise the comment, “Graphisoft could choose to work with Apple in the future and utilize its MobileMe capabilities so that users could gain the Back-to-my Mac functionality to help resolve dynamic IP addresses“, is little more than wishful thinking. Show me (please!) where Graphisoft has taken advantage of Apple’s superior technology and I might believe your claim. Reality is it’s Mac-based ArchiCAD users that wait in vain for parity on basic features like SketchUp import.

Make no mistake, this is a breakthrough product, but it’s very much v1 and still needs work.

Best Regards,
Geoff Briggs

P.S. I’m not posting this because I like to be negative. I have a lot of respect for the guys in Budapest. I just want BIM that really works and vendors that develop for Mac to go beyond mere porting. I could level the same criticisms on Adobe. Just look at Acrobat Pro.

]]> By: Anthony Frausto-Robledo LEED AP http://architosh.com/2009/09/in-depth-looking-at-archicad-13-with-bim-server/comment-page-1/#comment-165 Anthony Frausto-Robledo LEED AP Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:49:07 +0000 http://architosh.com/?p=2749#comment-165 I'm not sure what constitutes a "proper Mac interface" these days? That is a good question itself. If you refer to the "classic Mac interface" I would argue that ArchiCAD 13 has many conforming elements. If you are talking about modern Apple application interfaces (like Aperture, iPhoto, iTunes, etc, then there is a problem as to what exactly constitutes the essence of a proper modern Mac interface...because they vary more than the old classic Mac interfaces did with each other. I’m not sure what constitutes a “proper Mac interface” these days? That is a good question itself. If you refer to the “classic Mac interface” I would argue that ArchiCAD 13 has many conforming elements. If you are talking about modern Apple application interfaces (like Aperture, iPhoto, iTunes, etc, then there is a problem as to what exactly constitutes the essence of a proper modern Mac interface…because they vary more than the old classic Mac interfaces did with each other.

]]> By: Christiaan http://architosh.com/2009/09/in-depth-looking-at-archicad-13-with-bim-server/comment-page-1/#comment-164 Christiaan Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:31:31 +0000 http://architosh.com/?p=2749#comment-164 The least you'd think we could expect from a "longtime Mac programming stalwart" is a proper Mac interface. The least you’d think we could expect from a “longtime Mac programming stalwart” is a proper Mac interface.

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